Positive Money at Oxford University Roundtable Discussion

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In two weeks, on Friday 4th March we’ll be speaking at a roundtable discussion at Oxford University. Fellow panelists will include Angela Knight of the British Bankers’ Association and Professor David Miles of the Bank of England.

[yellowbox]Members of the public are welcome to attend the event.[/yellowbox]

Full details are below:


A Roundtable Discussion on ‘The Future of Banking’

We bring to you five distinguished speakers with an eclectic set of experience and opinions:

Chair:

Professor Alan Morrison
(Said Business School)

Speakers:

Professor David Miles
(Bank of England)

Angela Knight
(British Bankers’ Association)

Professor Peyton Young
(University of Oxford)

Ben Dyson
(Positive Money)

The roundtable will take place in the Gulbenkian Lecture Theatre (St Cross Building, 10 St Cross Rd, Oxford OX1 3UL, Map) on Friday 4th March from 5pm

Chatham House Rules apply.

There will be an opportunity for the audience to ask questions.

A drinks reception in the economics department will follow.

The event is listed on facebook: http://www.facebook.com/event.php?eid=189174461096402

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  • Mike Crees

    Hi Ben..Is the media going to be present at this ie Peston and co….it could provide footage for future TV progammes on banking..regards Mike Crees

  • http://www.seoexpert-uk.co.uk steve

    Hi Ben

    Thanks for the heads up, I am attending this event.

    Also saw my MP last week to discuss The Big Society, money and the use of alternative currencies.

    He was reluctant to engage although did grant me another meeting to discuss further.

    I’m interested to understand whether you have looked at the Worgl story or read any material from Silvio Gesell. He wrote a book “The Natural Economic Order and talks about money, it’s momentum and a negative interest rate on money in circulation (if the money is not spent).

    I found it quite interesting if a bit long winded in places.

    Regards

    Steve

    • http://www.relaxinternet.com/ Wesley Kitikonti

      Steve,

      I’ve read in brief The NATURAL ECONOMIC ORDER, I must say it’s very, very leggy many editions since 1918, so here is my stand on the works of Silvio Gesell.

      Silvio Gesell was born in 1862 and died in 1930, a testing era just as the Industrial Revolution really kicked into what was the first Great Depression, he was an advocate of Free money..!!! which I quote ‘may turn out to be the best regulator of the velocity of circulation of money’ & ‘IF* Applied correctly Free money..!!! could in fact haul us out of the crisis in a few weeks’

      The most confusing element for the people is to grasp the real cause of the problem, the stabilisation of the price level can only come if we have 1:1:1 relation to the medium we call ‘MONEY’.

      Now Gesell knew Free money..!!! was the answer, but as the Central Banks around the world grasped more and more power and now the velocity technology i.e. the ‘Internet’ of today has suppased all expectations we have to realise technology can set us free, money today is nearly all digital the High St Banks and the Central Banks when creating New money risk nothing to ascertain our property, why can we not see Gesell and now Montagne speak to us as one and the same ‘There is no other solution. Regulation can only temper an inherently terminal process. If we are not promoting MPE™ or mathematically perfected economy™, then we are condemned to monetary failure..understanding of MPE™ took me one week of deep thoughtm, schooling and after careful investigation it is the solution I’m sure.

      Gesell realised in his last days that The Great Depression was responsible for at least 7 million deaths, taking a look at the population before and after the depression and even with a 3.5 million deviation for migration he said that there is at least 7 million people unaccounted for.

      Now obviously many may dismiss this propaganda, but one has to think about this. Without question there had to be starvation during that time but it’s really not a key talking point by our history books, One has to wonder. “The Federal Reserve definitely caused the Great Depression by contracting the amount of money in circulation by one-third from 1929 to 1933.

      regards Wesley

      • Conrad Jones (Cheam)

        Contracting the money supply after the Great Depression started didn’t help, but what really caused it was expanding the money supply in the 1920s creating the Roaring Twenties – expanding credit and debt which quickly flooded into the Stock Market. The Stock market stalled and everybody panicked – except people like Joe Kennedy who understood what was going on and profitted from it.

        I believe the problem is much worse now as there is no Gold Standard at all, and credit is created digitally.

        The Federal Reserve was used to Inflate the money supply inorder to pay off the debt of World War I. We are currently in to this period now (paying off our War debts) and are already seeing signs of deflation which is why the Federal Reserve has started Q2. If this fails – we’ll have Q3, Q4, etc etc. We may avoid the deflation but we could be hit with massive inflation when the Banks start using all their reserves again.

        Honest money and the abolishment of the Fractional Reserve Banking System is the only way to maintain stability but the Banks won’t like it and they have all the power.

        • http://www.relaxinternet.com/ Wesley Kitikonti

          Conrad,

          Honest money is the PEOPLES money, Establishment of the MPE™ or mathematically perfected economy™ can replace the Central Bank’s and the High Streets Fractional Reserve System, in few days with no cost to the tax payer..!! MPE can pay off the national debt .. we then as a country are DEBT FREE, and FREE to start again.

          We can only secure economic justice by spreading this information ambitiously, and thereupon, by asserting our right to proper, true economy:

          http://www.perfecteconomy.org/ftp/tnsradio/
          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FtwMkIssuUQ

          Myself and our companies have been schooled in the matter of late, personal time was given to us by the UK MPE™ team, they even came to our office and gave a lecture.!! it’s now part of our corporate introduction show-reel.

          regards Wesley

          • http://www.seoexpert-uk.co.uk steve

            Hi Wesley

            I have been onto the perfecteconomy website and looked at all the videos.

            It may be me but I struggle to understand MPE™. It’s clear that a lot of work and effort went into the video content but they are a tad… well… mathematical.

            The humans that inhabit this earth are made up of people who in the main only think one layer deep. If we want to reach them we need to communicate in a way that reaches them. My concern is that these videos will only appeal to a very small percentage of humans.

            I also have a few questions to ask about MPE™ and wondered whether you would be available for a brief phone conversation?

            Regards

            Steve

          • http://www.relaxinternet.com/ Wesley Kitikonti

            Steve,

            I’ve been in meetings all afternoon, I’m on a Skype Chat with MPE UK tonight [most calls so I have been told are at strange hours because of the time zones in US, UK, East Europe & Auz] I’ll pass on your email one of the UK team will make contact I have been assured.

            regards Wesley

  • jonathan chapman

    HI Ben,

    I am going to be attending this interesting discussion ,the only comment I would make is that these type of events would be even more interesting if they are held a bit later in the day (to enable working people to get there after work).

    Jonathan

    • http://www.relaxinternet.com/ Wesley Kitikonti

      Steve,

      Your are died right, The real problem then is the disinterest of the common man/woman.

      Worse still it would be then, if we who can lead them from their demise, my point is cannot ourselves join not just toward a common goal

      [remove the central banks]

      and their issuance of *OUR PROMISE TO PAY* this will prove the singular potential of the goal of the people to bring about a Mathematically Perfected Economy.

      I’ve been in meetings all afternoon, I’m on a Skype Chat with MPE UK tonight [most calls so I have been told are at strange hours because of the time zones in US, UK, East Europe & Auz]

      regards Wesley

  • http://www.relaxinternet.com/ Wesley Kitikonti

    Ben, I’ll also see you there, I have some tough questions for Professor David Miles (Bank of England) http://www3.imperial.ac.uk/people/d.miles

    regards Wesley

  • Mick Reiss

    Hi Ben. I’ll be there.

  • http://www.twitter.com/PeterPannier PeterPannier

    Will try to make it. Sounds good. Agree that getting Peston and other media along should be a priority for your efforts in the next few weeks. Can offer to help a bit with that if you like.

  • http://www.thecommongood.info Dick Rodgers

    Thanks for arranging this Ben. Congratulations of your great progress so far. I plan to come the the Oxford meeting on 4th March.

    Dick

  • Conrad Jones (Cheam)

    Interesting Interview at GoldMoney.com:

    ” GATA’s Chris Powell on gold price manipulation ”
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jyNoDPok5NM
    ( 6 minutes. )

  • Eric Young

    Can you get someone to film this discussion, preferably in high quality and put in on YouTube afterwards please?

    Thanks
    Eric

  • http://noncredit-money.org stojan nenadovic

    Positive money must be noncredit money. Biagio Bossone, former executive director of World Bank and IMF, said to Summit G-20 in London: We propose a noncredit money system, where money creation is separated from lending.
    Noncredit money as a gift (no as debt) is the only real money. Credit money as a debt transforms costs and prices in nominal costs and prices.
    Nominal cost (price) = real cost (price) + debt.
    Credit money as a debt is never sufficient. Therefore inflation and economic crisis. Noncredit money as a gift is ever sufficient.
    Noncredit money is the necessary additional quantity of money in circulation (currency = dM) as a percentage (k) of existing quantity of money in circulation (M). dM = kM ; k = (supply – demand)/demand ;
    If noncredit money is emitted according to the cited formula, inflation cannot exist. Taxes and debts are annulled for the amount of noncredit money. The consumers pay less and producers get more than today, in the order of credit money. All get the gift from noncredit money. The source of noncredit money is the growth of economic rationality. Noncredit money monetizes progress of mankind. There is both national (local) and world noncredit money. We must create both national and world order of noncredit money.
    Noncredit money demands new system of national accounts. The are:
    (P/C)P = I ; P = GDP ; C = COST ; I = INCOME ;
    INCOME – COST = NONCREDIT MONEY ;
    INCOME – GDP = CONSUMERS SURPLUS ;
    GDP – COST = PRODUCERS SURPLUS (PROFITS) ;
    INCOME = income from costs + income from noncredit money ;

  • Robert Searle

    Ben, et al,

    I am impressed by the calibre of the speakers. Congratulations!The Roundtable Discussion should be well worth attending. Hopefully, it maybe recorded for people who are unable to go to it. If not an informative would have to do.

    I have put my weblink here as it is too long to enter into the website space..

    http://www.p2pfoundation.net/Transfinancial_Economics

  • http://www.relaxinternet.com/ Wesley Kitikonti

    “In times of stress or adversity bury your anger, keep busy and
    put your energies into something positive.”

    • http://www.relaxinternet.com/ Wesley Kitikonti

      We hope to see you all there! Thank you….

      • http://www.relaxinternet.com/ Wesley Kitikonti

        Ben & Ben,

        We have been advised that we are **ALL** taking the day off work tomorrow to be at this event, Mark, Alex, Isaac have been away from our office for over the last a year, I’m shocked… tonight… they have been sooooo busy with PFMPE™ no wonder ~ they have been Koi….

        We will be with you at 8am tomorrow..

        kind regards

        W A Kitikonti

  • Robert Searle

    My brief account of the “Discussion” maybe of interest! I have put it on the Global Justice Movement forum where I often post.

    http://globaljusticemovement.net/pipermail/discussion_globaljusticemovement.net/2011-March/011822.html

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  • Tony Harvey

    Yes that brief account is very much of interest and thank-you for it. I do believe that reform is coming albeit far too slowly to prevent more necessary banking & economic crashes to jolt the authorities and vested interests out of their ignorance, fear and complacency.

  • James Williams

    Hi all,

    I’m a student from Bournemouth University in my second year, and my group and I are going to be making a documentary about the rising tensions over the economic crisis across modern Britain from 3 different viewpoints, a ‘banker’, ‘politician’ and ‘victim’.

    We already have MP Steve Baker on board, which we are absolutely delighted at, as his expertise is such a good asset to the documentary. We have recently thought about trying to get a 1 or 2 more subjects, such as a financial person or a well respected economist to share their views on the state of the economy etc, so I am just enquiring as to whether this is of interest to anyobdy?

    Also, I was wondering if myself and one other from the group would be allowed to film a discussion on the economy that takes place soon or if not to just attend one? I noticed that Eric asked if somebody could film the discussion, so I don’t know if this is possible but it would be great if we could? Also, if you need anybody to film future discussions, I own a Canon 600D and have access to high quality kit that we could use.

    My E-mail address is jamesr.williams@btopenworld.com

    Thank you so for your time, and I am happy to answer any questions and give more info.

    Kind Regards

    James Williams
    Bournemouth University Student

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